Why Clayton Waagner Became An Abortion Terrorist

By

Neal Horsley

(Christian Gallery News Service, Dec 1, 2001)  At this time when terrorism and the War On Terror is the single subject dominating the thought process of the American media and virtually all American citizens, I was given the opportunity to actually interview a terrorist in the midst of the white-hot actions of a terrorist plan to kill 42 people in the USA. Following is a verbatim transcript of the tape-recorded interview I conducted with Clayton Waagner on November 23, 2001.

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Horsley:            Well, well Clayton, what, what made you decide to, to become a terrorist and terrorize an abortionist? You said something about your daughter?

Waagner:          Yeah, I, I, I have always, uh, intuitively knew abortion's wrong; I've always hated it; I've always spoke against it.  I've got in arguments with friends who were pro-abortion and, um, you know typical Christian position.  But, that's as far as it would go.  I never even considered anything else.  But, umm, it all changed for me one day.  It was um, uh, January eighth, in uh, uh, ninety-nine, and it was at the hospital in Franklin, Pennsylvania, not too far from where we lived.  My oldest daughter had a miscarriage.  And, uh, in the hospital room my daughter and her husband and, and my wife and myself were there, and, uh, after they all held the baby, I didn't plan on holding the baby.  I just, uh, I just didn't want to.  Well my wife was crying and wouldn't let go of the baby so I reached down and took the, uh.  And, my daughter and her husband, her husband named the baby Sierra, so I took Sierra from her, and I looked down at her, and she was twenty-four weeks…

Horsley:            Six months.

Waagner:          And, yeah, perfect little baby.  I mean, perfectly formed, you know?  And I held her, and I sta, an, and I had not cried.  I was trying to be strong, you know, the strong one.  And I started to cry.  And the Lord spoke to me, and uh, and the Lord said, "How can you cry over one," or, actually, "How can you grieve" was interestingly the word that came.  "How can you grieve over one, when you allow millions to be slaughtered every year?"

Horsley:            Good God!

Waagner:          And I just instantly stopped crying.  And I looked at the baby, and I could just, in my mind's eye I could see the millions of...

Horsley:            Oh Lord!

Waagner:          And, it was over.  That's, that was the day that I became an anti-abortion te, terrorist, or anti-choice terrorist as they like to cause me, call me.  Now I'm not against choice. I, I think you can choose to do anything.  You can choose to die by my hand by keep working at those places.

Horsley:            So you went to war that day?

Waagner:          It wasn't really that day I started.  I, I was in the computer business at the time.  Umm, I went back to my office. I have, uh, had an office at my home.  Went back to my office, and I started researching and, and, putting together everything I could off of the Internet. That's where I first ran into, uh, uh, Christian Gallery and, uh, the Nuremberg Files, and uh, um, at that time you were shut down, I believe.

Horsley:            Yeah, right.

Waagner:          And uh, I, I picked it up off the, uh, uh, foreign site, uh...

Horsley:            Right.  Spaink.  The Dutch citizen.

Waagner:          Right, yeah.  Yeah, I, I picked that up.  And I downloaded that and burned a CD of that, and uh, umm, started realize there were other people that felt the same way.  But I didn't want.  I, I started thinking, I was gonna create.  I actually started creating a web page, you know.  I was gonna do the, do the web thing, no offense, but was gonna do the same way you were doing it.  And I was gonna start fighting it that way.  And then it, it just, it just hit me.  Uh, oh, I know.  It was one day, uh, I was watching Face the Nation, and Pat Robertson was on, and I was pumping for Bush at the time...

Horsley:            Right.

Waagner:          And. I used to work for Pat, and uh, had a, always had a lot of respect for him, especially with his political views.  He's a very sharp man.  And, uh, he said, "Abortion in this country, will never be made illegal." And when Pat Robertson said that, I walked out to my office and deleted the files I'd been working.  That ended, the uh, effort ended to, uh, to do it legally.  That's the day, and I didn't even own a gun.  That's the day I took up arms.

Horsley:            I knew it!  When Pat Robertson did that, that day, yeah.  When, well, yeah, y'know.  And the Christian Coalition would develop their forty year plan, and I, I realized that, that when they made it appear that, that thousands of babies were gonna be slaughtered indefinitely every day, and that there was nothing that was going to stop it, that there were men in the United States of America who would not be able to cope, to live with it, and would, in fact, rise up in arms against it.  And you're demonstrating basically what I've been saying all along, that you cannot expect a man that actually has eyes that can see to live forever in the face of the carnage of the slaughter of innocent little babies.  They will in fact rise up.  And you know, my heart, my heart, is, is, is, is, is split in, in, because on the one hand I know that, that, you know, what you're doing is inevitably, the powers that be in this world are focused on you, and that you're, you're, you're in grave risk.  But on the other hand I understand that what you're doing is not an unreasonable response to the slaughter of God's children.  And, and, you know, it's just a terrible situation!

Waagner:          Uh, uh, first of all, I believe, uh, and I hate to say it because my children, I guess they'll hear, but I believe I'm going to die in this struggle.  And I'm okay with that.

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